*Longo* Posted Jun 15, 2020, 4:25 pm	You can refer to event ID 1039575
Tez Posted Jun 15, 2020, 4:36 pm	Does this matter? If Camp Wars PvP fights imply that you can whip your crew home whenever and he tried and it didn't work, then yes. There was a bug and no one likes to be victim of bugs. If not, then no.
*Longo* Posted Jun 15, 2020, 4:44 pm	As I stated before, this code has been here for a month, and hasn’t been complained about until darth gets killed, with numerous deaths occurring before hand. If this code is changed, I am all for it, but going back and giving characters back is wrong. A review of the event shows he had ample time to save his ganger and escape, but wanted to save his buzzer and kept driving away. He also could have just demoed his last buzzer and saved his ganger. Numerous rounds went by when his leader was conscious and could escape, having a breached side and he didn’t. It was a bad decision at the time. 8 mortars firing at your breached buzzer and he ran rather than escape your leader?
darthspanky Posted Jun 15, 2020, 4:47 pm	i voted yes, ill be quitting camp wars and i dont want him back, to bring him back would cheapen his glorious death, the way a ganger should go out in dw, it will be more fun to throw all my cr at joel and let goat scoop up my territories, when i close camp, then build another one somewhere buy sposorships and wipe another player off the map, this will be fun after all and get to watch goat have a super big empire and fight with him when he wants it. i can tell you this much if i was friring 8 mortars at your buzzer for over 25 turns you will be smoked alot faster than kirk was, i dont mind the olny way your bittch ass could have killed him was because he was helpless and ko'd, real tuff guy longo. pos
Joel Autobaun Posted Jun 15, 2020, 5:10 pm	You are right i think... my mm team did suck. *conspiracy mode invoked considering they were pretty good skill* Alright i saw sams poll i will shut up. Good luck all.
*Longo* Posted Jun 15, 2020, 5:22 pm	darthspanky said: i voted yes, ill be quitting camp wars and i dont want him back, to bring him back would cheapen his glorious death, the way a ganger should go out in dw, it will be more fun to throw all my cr at joel and let goat scoop up my territories, when i close camp, then build another one somewhere buy sposorships and wipe another player off the map, this will be fun after all and  get to watch goat have a super big empire and fight with him when he wants it. i can tell you this much if i was friring 8 mortars at your buzzer for over 25 turns you will be smoked alot faster than kirk was, i dont mind the olny way your bittch ass could have killed him was because he was helpless and ko'd, real tuff guy longo. pos You never had any intention to play out camp wars Darth. You just wanted to damage a few other players and then quit anyways. I’ve played this game with you for 13 years and this has always been you. Your not the kind of player I want to ally with,  but I respect that you are a player that plays a different way than I do and can do what you want. I am a tough guy as you stated, I, along with the courageous yet ruthless members of the Kingdom of Longo did “throw you down, my enemy, and smote your ruin upon the mountain side.”
*Dark Tempest* Posted Jun 15, 2020, 5:30 pm	I voted I will continue playing camp wars. It's enjoyable to have PvP that means something. I agree with spanky that is how gangers should go out in DW, I've had enough die of old age to know it's better to go out in a blaze of glory (even if I don't understand why he didn't just surrender). If the idea of the camp wars escape mechanism is to let players have more control how much risk they take with gangers I think it's reasonable the can be beamed out (It's really funny how great that works with spanky's gangers name) even if stunned or knocked out. This would make kills much harder (as you would basically have to alpha shot someone to do it if the player cared about the ganger, but as has been mentioned the risk/reward is far too tilted with escape disabled once knocked out. The risk of the time investment the top end gangers represent weighed against the small resource bump from a tile, or even the few million DW$ a good chassis can cost is just not in favor of allowing gangers to die. This is an age old debate in this game, but barring a drastic change the only way too attract and keep people playing PvP is to give them some chance of saving the months or years they've put into training a ganger, beyond immediately surrendering all their chassis and convincing all their friends to do the same. I think Sam has hit a really good balance with the camp wars escape and lack of looting if the match goes the distance (and would like to see this extended to more PvP modes), and it's unfortunate that what appears to be a bug is causing so many hard feelings on both sides. Note that I am included in the hard feelings as I was trying as hard as anyone (though far less effectively) to take James "T" Kirk out. That's just how war works, and we all thought spanky would escape him well before we had a legitimate shot at doing it. I can tell you there was a lot of surprise and elation when we pulled it off, and the emotion of that is what's causing all this concern afterwards. (spanky having so many turns to escape ahead of time is adding to sour feelings as he did take a great deal of risk that 5 or 6 mortars hit him all at once even before he was knocked out.) To close: Sam you are doing a great job and this is the best PvP I've played so far in DW. Please keep going at it. Everyone else: I think about the same, you are all great chaps, please keep going for each others throats in game and keep the forums and discord chats healthy.
darthspanky Posted Jun 15, 2020, 5:47 pm	hehe i can hear kirk now "scottie i said bean me out now, scoottiieeee 'head blows off'
darthspanky Posted Jun 15, 2020, 6:15 pm	perhaps its better to walk away after ensuring joel is taken care of so he's no threat, i was strongly encouraged to quit during that fight by my teammates, i dont have that type of mentality, wasnt their legendary cars they were loosing, and im not going to quit when in my mind i was starting to get out of range and could use my rear cc's on incomming cars hoping to hold out so time was on our side, not enouph of it, and im not used to quitting, but after respecting not killing longo gangers in a coe last year when i could have taken shots at him, thought he would play the same, that was my biggest mistake causse as i went to beam out nothing, wasnt what i signed up for and im certainly not going to play guinnie pig while everyone tries to kill darths guys, #### that.
*The X Man* Posted Jun 15, 2020, 6:58 pm	darthspanky said: i voted yes, ill be quitting camp wars and i dont want him back This is your answer here, straight from Darth, the poll is no longer needed.
*sam* Posted Jun 15, 2020, 7:29 pm	Thanks DT, and thanks X.