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*goat starer* Posted May 12, 2020, 11:39 pm |
having to redo a whole deployment if you make a mistake is going to become a massive pain the ass... especially given how many calcs you have to do as you spread out. | ||||||||||
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*Longo* Posted May 12, 2020, 11:44 pm |
Agree on this. It took me a while this week, having to take notes, reset, and redo numerous times. |
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*goat starer* Posted May 12, 2020, 11:46 pm |
it will certainly help us to quickly work out what 0.87 of any given number is! which could be a huge life skill. 
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*sam* Posted May 15, 2020, 9:35 am |
I'll definitely try to get some improvement done before the next deployment cycle.
I think it would be best to let you deploy to any valid tile straight from camp, and have the best route calculated by the computer, and remove the need for you to define the route yourself? .. then there would be less need for 'undo last' ? |
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*goat starer* Posted May 15, 2020, 9:35 am |
that would certainly be best | ||||||||||
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*Longo* Posted May 15, 2020, 11:50 am |
Showing the route before would help also Sam, so you know how crappy the drive is there and what’s lowering your CR the most (give you a reason to take a few extra pro travel hexes, for instance ) . |
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ShawnFireDragon coldmolasses@live.ca Posted May 15, 2020, 3:49 pm |
 Great points here. As the territory grows this will be even more important to easily manage.
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*goat starer* Posted May 22, 2020, 11:10 am |
i take it you didn't have time to finish this? |
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*Longo* Posted May 22, 2020, 11:35 am |
Also, off topic but related to the weekly reset, did the Camp David vs Vault event today get bugged, as it’s not showing a battle on the map anymore and the Vault took the tile ? I am on my phone which doesn’t 100% translate the website but it looks like something happened. Noticed this after checked what goat is asking above. | ||||||||||
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*sam* Posted May 22, 2020, 11:42 am |
It was awkward to do during week 2 of the cycle, so I left it until today to consider. Looking at it today. |
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*sam* Posted May 22, 2020, 11:44 am |
Hidden during week 1 of the cycle, I'll fix that. (I hadn't considered that the players would negotiate a date that ran as late as the next week 1 of the cycle). |
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ShotGun Jolly Posted May 22, 2020, 2:03 pm |
So,
The new camp wars... I think this is really cool. But I do have a question. Being a new owner of a camp, and coming late into this new system. How is it fair for new camp owners to get involved in the new camp war system, when previous owners of the camps had the ability to relocate camps and get the most strategic benefits out of the new placement? Some camps are sandwiched between to active warring camps. Do they not bother to go active Camp War? What is the incentive for new camps to get involved when they will end up in such a massive disadvantage? After a period of time, do the captured territory reset? Can new camp owners also get the chance to relocate? Curious to know what the plan is (if any) for making this fun for the players who were not involved in the camp relocation phase later down the road? |
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*goat starer* Posted May 22, 2020, 4:11 pm |
Sam.. we didn't negotiate that date unless Krak changed the server date suggested for his camp we simply accepted their date. As we did this very early in the cycle i suspect it was the server generated date - so you might want to look at that. I cant help feeling that I am also not incorrect that the original date for the other tile was set as the 23rd from one of the camps. As a direct result of the tile appearing to be ceded to us today we may have lost a player... which is pretty annoying. |
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*sam* Posted May 22, 2020, 5:19 pm |
Done! Pretty heavy piece of coding there, hopefully it makes life easier for CR deployment. |
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*sam* Posted May 22, 2020, 5:29 pm |
It looks for a date that's 24+ hours from the current time (current time being around 5am on Friday morning), and it keeps checking forward for a spare slot after that (i.e. it fits the defending camp's open hours and isn't close to another camp war combat for either camp). I checked the generated dates at the time (a week ago).. one tile was the 16th and the other was the 17th. I'm watching all this closely, as it's new code and I want to make sure stuff happens as expected. It's possible there's a bug in the code where a camp suggests a time and the other accepts (unknowingly?). It's possible you're mistaken (the text is pretty small, and I know you're old). It's possible I'm mistaken. We'll see what happens next Friday with the next cycle of battles. So you don't recall accepting the revised date for today's combat? Krak did mention to me last week that he took the other tile since you didn't deploy a squad. So he seemed to know of the scheduled date. It might be worth checking what his recollection of the two dates was. |
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*goat starer* Posted May 22, 2020, 5:57 pm |
and whether he set the date for this one as today.... because if he didnt the server definitely did | ||||||||||
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Krakhedd Posted May 22, 2020, 8:12 pm |
Believe I did. I didn't expect the combats until this week, so was a little less prepared than I'd have liked, and requested an extra week rather out of a panic.
The first battle, I proposed an extension but it was never accepted, and I was able to assemble a coalition and appropriate adequate CR to assign a squad. That date gave Vault the option to change; this one, it appeared to be of my choosing. Which they did accept, though. |
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*sam* Posted May 22, 2020, 8:17 pm |
Brand new camps will be allowed to pick their own tile (as long as it's neutral). Other camps who are closed pvp and then open it will gain their tile back from whoever currently owns it (if any). I still need to put down juicy resources around various places in the map, by the way. Much of the empty land right now will be valuable later.
Yeah, it's difficult to compete directly with the big camps, but there's plenty of room for alliances - you can certainly lend them a hand and get some protection in return. Work your way up. You can't expect to compete with players who have been building up their power much longer term.
No, but we will likely add a feature where some individual tiles go neutral.
If the camp is new, then yes they get to pick where it goes. If the owner is new on an exiting camp, then no. That amount of relocation would be too disruptive and far too open to abuse.
If you really want a camp in a different spot, buy a brand new one. Which is your camp, by the way? I do realise that some of the small camps are very much inside a big camp's area of influence. If anyone has suggestions, I'll listen - but continually moving camps around seems like a bad idea overall. The one-off amnesty was only supposed to be once. |
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ShotGun Jolly Posted May 23, 2020, 3:06 pm |
Oh, I agree moving camps continually would be a problem. But giving that option, even only once, to the bigger camps which has been around for a long time and well established has and will give them a distinct advantage over anyone else who is just getting started. Most of, if not all of the juicer spots are taken, or the camp would need to be way the heck off the beaten path. But I get it, its a moot point now. There had to be a starting point. I am giving you a perspective from a player who has not already benefited from moving his camp to a nice sweet spot. I doubt many people will buy a new camp, just to get into a camp war either. Do not get me wrong, I think this camp war system is going to be a lot of fun. But I think the entry point for new players, or new camp owners should be looked in the long term. This is only new and lots can change yet. |
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*Longo* Posted May 23, 2020, 4:42 pm |
You have the option to try and sell your camp and build a new one. There is still a ton of neutral space too with thriving resources. I know several players looking for one. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted May 23, 2020, 5:15 pm |
Sorry but you are wrong. I WISH I COULD MOVE MY CAMP RIGHT NOW. There are still at least 3 REALLY AWESOME starting spots for a camp. You wouldn't even have to fight. You DO NOT Want a PVP camp in the center right now (so called juicy spot). You have a severe advantage even being allowed to make a new camp and then join in PvP game right away. |
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ShotGun Jolly Posted May 26, 2020, 11:17 pm |
Hmmm, what exactly am I wrong about? You are really not making any sense. I am not trying to start something with you Joel, but just hear me out, when I say you are not making any sense. As it sounds like you and I agree.
But first, answer this question. I agreed that moving camps constantly would be wrong.. Do you disagree with that? Ok, now for the rest of it... 1.
I wish I could move my camp too! and I want too so bad as I am at a severe disadvantage if I want to join Camp Wars. So, it sounds to me like we both agree. 2.
My point perfectly, neither do I, as I am RIGHT IN THE CENTER! 3.
I can see that to a point, but that is not what my post is about, as I am not making a new camp at the current moment. So I can actually agree with you. So, what was I actually wrong about? |
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*Longo* Posted May 26, 2020, 11:35 pm |
Shotgun -
You do have options, although unconventional, that would allow you to "move" your camp. 1)Sell yours and build a new one. It wont go for a premium, but there are buyers out there right now. Maybe one of the owners of your camp close to you would buy it just to not have a neighbor? 2) See if anyone is willing to trade you their camp for yours. Maybe someone wants to jump into the Pvp. Yours is a tiny camp, but comparable to a SS one. Maybe someone would swap you... I think all but maybe 2 of the Pvp camp owners would be angry if you were allowed to move your camp now. Why didnt you move it before? If you acquired it afterwards, why didnt you inquire about the ability to move the camp before buying it? |
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Joel Autobaun Posted May 26, 2020, 11:50 pm |
Yup shotgun I read you wrong - we agree. I thought you were complaining about choice where to put a new camp. | ||||||||||
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ShotGun Jolly Posted May 27, 2020, 6:03 am |
Hey Longo, No, its ok.. I am happy with my camp. I was just getting back into DW, having being gone for a few months, and this camp became available which was almost excatly where I wanted to build a camp in the first place. But I pretty much got it just as the camp wars are starting, so I didnt get fully upto speed with what it involved till a week after it started. But as to your last paragraph, I was not really asking for myself. I am just discussing a perspective that I see, that may inhibit or turn newer players away from wanting to try and build a PVP camp. As much as I think the camp wars is cool. I have 0 interest in trying to get involved as I see it as being a super major disadvantage vs already camps that picked and choose there new locations/spots to maximize there potential. Either with locations, moving camps closer to other camps to benefit the actual war camp.. stuff like that. In short, I do not see it as balanced at all.. not even remotely for new camps. |
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*Longo* Posted May 27, 2020, 2:06 pm |
There have been several camps that joined in late, and have been doing fine. I’m sure a brand new player with a “power player” mentality could potentially start playing DW and get into camp wars and be successful within a few months, but not likely. I don’t think the game is designed to have this happen, and to be honest, would it be fair to others who have trained their gangs, built there camps, and acquired assets over the past 5 years to be destroyed by every player who joins DW and plays 3 months, gets a camp and starts camp wars? That wouldn’t make much sense. But a gang who has been around 6 months, makes some friends, trains a lot, acquires a camp, and decides to try camp combat? Not sure how successful he might be, but he could still get some fun out of camp wars(unless it’s in SS, he could potentially dominate ). If your interested in camp wars, I’d be happy to talk to you about them and get you involved. PM me, or we can talk on discord now that I know how to somewhat work it, haha |
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*sam* Posted May 27, 2020, 4:02 pm |
In terms of resources on tiles, I haven't finished adding these yet. The plan is for most of the map to have useful resources nearby. |
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Grimm Sykes Posted May 28, 2020, 2:10 am |
Good to know, I will be more patient |