League Sponsorships & Prizes
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*sam* Posted Jan 9, 2016, 9:11 am |
From next season (2079) there will be 5 leagues sponsored by camps (previously there were 3), offering extra camp fame for the year. These are done via auctions at Dexter's, as normal.
Also, a number of leagues will offer camp fame boosts or camp production boosts as prizes. The prizes will apply for the game year following the one in which the league runs. As a trial, the new prizes are being run on the Gateway Winter Meltdown during the current season (2078). You nominate the camp you are representing at the time that you register your league entry. |
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*The X Man* Posted Jan 9, 2016, 10:19 am |
For those who do not know it, your camp ID number is located at the top of your camp info tab. Thanks again Sam for getting this implemented! |
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*sam* Posted Jan 9, 2016, 6:17 pm |
No prob, hopefully it's a popular addition! |
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Krakhedd Posted Jan 9, 2016, 6:19 pm |
We need to know fame boosts on the new sponsors to make educated bids. | ||||||
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jan 9, 2016, 8:28 pm |
5 paid for camp fames... hates it. More fame for damaging an already ridiculous economy.
Fame for winning leagues...loves it. PvP in controlled environs is WHAT THIS GAME IS. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jan 9, 2016, 8:29 pm |
Sounds good but please make sure its not just for Leagues that only people in certain parts of the world, or who have certain job schedules can participate in. Winter Meltdown is one of those that excludes many people (as does 2 guineas and some others I cant remember). I assume this will apply to all leagues most likely? Added Paid Sponsors: I have mixed feelings. I feel having Tiers of each sponsor is better so the top 3 bidders get something (top sponsor plus 2 lesser sponsor levels). this way its not all about *How bad can I hurt my competitor* in bidding up their sponsorship cost. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jan 9, 2016, 8:30 pm |
Also what about Joels awesome suggestion of "sponsor the AI" where you in effect Pay the expenses for an AI gang and if THEY win you get prizes (and can you join the events to help them to win as if you were part of a team).
That was a Stellar idea |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jan 9, 2016, 8:36 pm |
I said sponsor players but someone suggested AI too - which is awesome yes. Sponsor ANYONE. Coupled with individual ganger fame (which gives ZERO in game bonus), would bring leagues absolutely alive again. |
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Celticfrost Posted Jan 9, 2016, 11:18 pm |
I think your just gonna have to take your chances. |
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Krakhedd Posted Jan 10, 2016, 3:18 am |
I reckon so too but hope I don't have to 
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*sam* Posted Jan 10, 2016, 11:53 am |
Now that the code is in place for both of these things, we will easily be able to revise the actual numbers involved, e.g. to weight more towards the prizes and less towards the sponsorships. |
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Racing Robbie Posted Jan 10, 2016, 7:37 pm |
I think that Joel has got it right - limit the fame from sponsorship and increase the amount of fame you can get for winning/taking part in leagues
This is what the DRM should be all about ;-) |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jan 10, 2016, 11:05 pm |
agreed, Joel's take on it seems a little more fair. And more realistic. Also it helps remove one of the items on my list of *Incentives to Alt* by making the Daddy Warbucks method of getting Camp Fame less important (no need to have a billion $DW if there's nothing that costly to spend it on) |
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Krakhedd Posted Jan 17, 2016, 11:07 pm |
I don't suppose we could add some smaller one-time fame bonuses from winning pro events, too? | ||||||
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*Tango* Posted Jan 18, 2016, 3:17 am |
Pro events happen all the time, that would be a licence to grind camp fame. |
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DirkNotSoGently Posted Jan 18, 2016, 8:27 am |
Or a massive incentive to partipate? Certainly only very small boosts from the GWM league have seen an almost unprecedented attendance. |
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*Splurs* Posted Jan 18, 2016, 8:38 am |
I admit I was interested to join the GWM league for the reason of a fame boost, any fame boosting events I would be more inclined to do, or else I will go scout outside of town.
Is there a reason for the Pro events? I have never really looked at them, as with almost all town events they generally don't give me any reason to play them, and I feel that others would be the same. For the time it takes to run one town event I can run a scout, and get more ganger skill gain. Of course there would need to be a balance some how, maybe limit a camps town fame gains a week? That being said would it matter? Is it no different at the moment with people grinding cash to win sponsors? |
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DirkNotSoGently Posted Jan 18, 2016, 12:45 pm |
An additional thought - fame boost for league sponsorship lasts 3 months - i.e. duration of the league
Is there any reason ALL boosts need last so long? |
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*Tango* Posted Jan 18, 2016, 12:48 pm |
Scale is the enormous difference It would take a whole lot more time to earn enough money to bid on even the cheapest sponsorship. Last year I think the cheapest went for 60 million? How many scouts is that? Even if you award a single point of fame for a single Pro event it would be much much faster.
Maybe not SO long, but the way fame and camps work there is a minimum under which it wouldn't make sense. You can only set your production once a week.
Yep it's easy to create more participation with more rewards. Is it possible to have too many rewards? Ever play a Monty Haul game where everything gets too easy and is boring? |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jan 18, 2016, 7:48 pm |
Meh you guys sure love to grind. .its a game. .supposed to be fun pvp in these controlled leagues is the best fun. The grind rewards are there and they are absolutely rediculously damaging to the spirit of this game. Fights over it in fact...witchhunts over it. I can show u guys pvp that is NO FUN FOR ANYONE if you really want it? That gateway dr was absolutely amazing and i probably have no chance at a fame boost.
Restricting the bonus to 3 game months makes it useless...planning camp builds takes nearly that long. Please guys dont let the usual uninformed opinions ruin this wonderful change sam finally made. Tango...try winning one of these leagues now and tell me its easy or boring. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jan 18, 2016, 7:52 pm |
Sorry krak i dont like this idea even if boosts are very small ... i have learned the capacity for munchkins to grind anything into a horror show in the game is beyond comprehension. |
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*Tango* Posted Jan 19, 2016, 12:30 am |
Sorry you misunderstand my poorly worded paragraph. I don't think winning ANY race is easy or boring. I was saying its easy to get people to show up when you give away Fame as a prize. Races seem kinda random to me, even with players who are very good it only takes a little bad luck and they're out of the running. I am very impressed with anyone who can win a racing league. I am not good at racing, I haven't put in the hours necessary and would rather do combats than race. I fully support fame rewards for leagues. My comment about too many rewards was aimed squarely at giving out fame for Pro events, not league events. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Jan 19, 2016, 2:05 am |
ahhh k Yea not pro events agreed. | ||||||
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Racing Robbie Posted Jan 19, 2016, 9:46 am |
If I remember rightly Pro events gives your gang a good fame/rep boost - when I was doing quite few pro events my gang always had a higher rep.
But doesn't do anything for camp fame. |
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*The X Man* Posted Jan 19, 2016, 6:35 pm |
I agree with Joel on all of this. Fame implementation was something players wanted worked into leagues well before my time here. It took additional discussions with Joel and PA and meetings with Sam to get this pushed through. The first "Test" league hasn't even finished yet and there is talk on how to get more fame?? Camp fame prizes were not implemented to be low hanging fruit or to be considered like a grade school participation trophies. Due to their value, they had to be earned. Not everyone or their represented camp will earn a fame prizes in these leagues, but everyone will still have a chance. There will be 9 leagues and 27 prize slots starting next season. Now, because fame prizes are now available, it will now increase PVP where it has been lacking in participation for some time now. These leagues are truly the most fun and challenging to play. It is also safe to say that there will not be any changes or additions to camp fame prizes until the end of next season. At that time, we will review the leagues as a whole with the collective group, then determine if adjustments are necessary. All players views and opinions will be welcomed and taken into consideration too, but please do so after some of these upcoming leagues have been completed. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jan 20, 2016, 12:06 am |
I just like trying to prevent people I DONT want to get the boost from getting it. Nothing better than telling someone you only played just to see them lose. That's my spirit of the apocalypse! |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jan 25, 2016, 7:14 am |
Sooooo
Looks like NO Fame for any of the leagues except the ones most people cant even play due to having jobs. No fame for Race League No fame for Combat League No fame for Deathrace League No fame for Paintball No fame for Ped combat 1 No Fame for Ped combat 2 No fame for GW Ped Only leagues that offer fame are the ones scheduled right in the middle of the work day (at least for those of us in the States). Suffice to say this is exactly what I hoped would NOT happen. I was looking forward to some competition rather than the same people who win the minors over and over just farming fame. |
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*The X Man* Posted Jan 25, 2016, 7:47 am |
COE 1, COE 2, COE 3 all have fame added for prizes. Oh, and they are all during the weekend too. So, if you are really looking for competition, I am pretty sure you will find it there. | ||||||
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Jan 25, 2016, 9:12 pm |
I didn't look at those. That's good. Although there is ALWAYS competition there anyway since that's where grudges tend to be resolved. Thanks for that info. I also have a thought rolling around in my head about how the prizes should work. that will follow when I have time to type. Welders are coming to do work tonght so I will have 2-4 hours ill be stuck at work while they do their thing and I cant go home. So Ill post then. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Mar 6, 2016, 8:23 pm |
2016-03-05 21:33:35
Won the Elmsfield Summer Classic League and received camp production boost 0.05 for camp 1015 Hmm weird so this kicks in next season? Or should it be now. I have a 2.4% prod boost now ( but that could be from scl ..possibly...) If it kicked in now I should have at least 15% (sS DR league and elms classic) |
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*The X Man* Posted Mar 6, 2016, 8:30 pm |
Thanks for the info. All fame and production boosts are supposed to kick in at the beginning of the next game year. I as far as I know, no fame prizes have been applied. With this being a production boost issue, like when others earned are applied immediately, this could be the cause. I will make Sam aware of the issue to check it. |