*sam* Posted Feb 2, 2013, 9:55 pm	This patch brings in a couple of new bits and pieces for a new racetrack by Bastille! Somerset Super Speedway..
Serephe Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:03 pm	Torn between "not another somerset track" and "that looks bloody awesome" here.
PA Racers Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:06 pm	this is a race track, thanks bast!
FireFly Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:14 pm	Please tell me it's not as bumpy as it looks lol, speedways with bumps
*Brunwulf* Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:18 pm	Looks awesome. Good stuff Bastille. I will be sure to set all the records for it over the coming weeks!
*Bastille* Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:25 pm	FireFly said: Please tell me it's not as bumpy as it looks lol, speedways with bumps  Is your head as bumby as it looks?
FireFly Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:27 pm	*Bastille* said: FireFly said: Please tell me it's not as bumpy as it looks lol, speedways with bumps  Is your head as bumby as it looks?  Bah
Serephe Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:33 pm	lol
FireFly Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:38 pm	Seriously thou, that picture makes it look mighty uneven, and that would be pretty strange for a speedway track
*Longo* Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:45 pm	FireFly said: Seriously thou, that picture makes it look mighty uneven, and that would be pretty strange for a speedway track  Why don't you just go back to playing The Sims.
Tez Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:53 pm	Leave The Sims alone.
Lord Foul Posted Feb 2, 2013, 10:53 pm	Thank you for your hard work on this Bast. Question, will this track be in a testing phase until it goes live? I noticed your morgan tracks appear to still be in a testing phase even though they've been in the game quite a while. Thanks
*goat starer* Posted Feb 2, 2013, 11:10 pm	*Bastille* said: FireFly said: Please tell me it's not as bumpy as it looks lol, speedways with bumps  Is your head as bumby as it looks?  it will be if i ever get hold of him
FireFly Posted Feb 2, 2013, 11:15 pm	goat starer said: *Bastille* said: FireFly said: Please tell me it's not as bumpy as it looks lol, speedways with bumps  Is your head as bumby as it looks?  it will be if i ever get hold of him  Maybe, but I swear I'll give you a good kick in the nuts before I go down
*goat starer* Posted Feb 2, 2013, 11:15 pm	who says i have nuts! most bunnies are neutered
Serephe Posted Feb 2, 2013, 11:18 pm	Now I just want to see Goat and FF meet up IRL. Need a good global DW meetup!
*Bastille* Posted Feb 2, 2013, 11:23 pm	Lord Foul said: Thank you for your hard work on this Bast. Question, will this track be in a testing phase until it goes live? I noticed your morgan tracks appear to still be in a testing phase even though they've been in the game quite a while. Thanks  This is your new goal on the RC, your foulness, getting NPC gangs in Morgan
*goat starer* Posted Feb 2, 2013, 11:57 pm	Serephe said: Now I just want to see Goat and FF meet up IRL. Need a good global DW meetup! i tried to organise them... the most global we got was sam coming
Serephe Posted Feb 3, 2013, 12:06 am	Having raced on the new track in 4L colts, it's damn fun. The bumps are a little extreme but they're avoidable. Can get up over 200mph easily. Cars with higher powered engines would likely top out at 245mph at some parts of the track. Love it.
Joel Autobaun Posted Feb 3, 2013, 1:00 am	Serephe said: Having raced on the new track in 4L colts, it's damn fun. The bumps are a little extreme but they're avoidable. Can get up over 200mph easily. Cars with higher powered engines would likely top out at 245mph at some parts of the track. Love it. It is bumpy..but maybe that's good.  I personally would not risk a top driver on this track so it could be a bit of a equalizer.
Lord Foul Posted Feb 3, 2013, 2:01 am	*Bastille* said: Lord Foul said: Thank you for your hard work on this Bast. Question, will this track be in a testing phase until it goes live? I noticed your morgan tracks appear to still be in a testing phase even though they've been in the game quite a while. Thanks  This is your new goal on the RC, your foulness, getting NPC gangs in Morgan  I would suggest you work this out with Sam, trust me on this. Maybe mention it to Sam in the thread you have going for the racetracks in development.
*sam* Posted Feb 3, 2013, 12:01 pm	I think Bast is planning on smoothing the track a bit more. A proper technical speed circuit would be awesome.
*Bastille* Posted Feb 3, 2013, 12:40 pm	yeah, the bumps have come out a bit deeper than I expected. These are washouts and cracked tarmac, but at the moment a car can burry its nose in there bretty bad. I busted up a 5Lv12 and broke an arm earlier today in testing. could stick to the corners at 247 in a Mkenzie though.
Tez Posted Feb 3, 2013, 2:55 pm	Tracks awesome, don't change it. Except the look of it, doesn't look very Somerset-ish.
FireFly Posted Feb 3, 2013, 4:01 pm	Yup, a technical speed circuit would be pretty awesome! Now you just need to add more stock cars I guess? Dem cars be turning left.
*Bastille* Posted Feb 4, 2013, 12:30 am	Tez said: Tracks awesome, don't change it. Except the look of it, doesn't look very Somerset-ish. yeah used the new sand (pickens desert stuff if ya looking, same as outback. Cool stuff) will add more red to the light, that should do it
Serephe Posted Feb 4, 2013, 7:02 am	221392 Racing tractors get pretty squirrely at 200mph.
Juris Posted Feb 4, 2013, 6:44 pm	*sam* said: I think Bast is planning on smoothing the track a bit more. A proper technical speed circuit would be awesome. Lol 221409 Caught fire on first turn in a Vintage Eaton from the moguls on the 'speed track'
*Bastille* Posted Feb 4, 2013, 9:58 pm	yeah, they are a tad big. As for big..... Big shout out to Checkers who gave me the idea for how to make this thing. I know he has something special planned and can't wait to see that out there.
*sam* Posted Feb 11, 2013, 3:32 pm	A new version of this track has been patched in. Awesome new lighting (big thanks to Bastille for all the work that he put into this) and with a special 'rolling start' system: most vehicles should start at 80mph. Those with 'super low gears' (i.e. offroad buggy, wurzel) will start at 50mph
Tez Posted Feb 11, 2013, 4:18 pm	It's too tame now, you've let yourself go shoelace. Looks more Somerset-ish now & I love the rolling start, but where's the dragon teeth in the middle of the racing line?
FireFly Posted Feb 11, 2013, 5:36 pm	Katrina the stormer approves of this track  (almost hit 400kph, yay)
*Tinker* Posted Feb 11, 2013, 5:53 pm	OmG is a death race version even in the works or would that be the most idiotic/suicide track ever for one?
FireFly Posted Feb 11, 2013, 6:11 pm	*Tinker* said: OmG is a death race version even in the works or would that be the most idiotic/suicide track ever for one? I'd be scared to fire a gun due to the recoil... Hell, in that pic I spun out shortly after and lost all 4 tires in one turn
*Bastille* Posted Feb 11, 2013, 8:52 pm	*Tinker* said: OmG is a death race version even in the works or would that be the most idiotic/suicide track ever for one? If it wasn't int he works, it should be now
Lord Foul Posted Feb 21, 2013, 6:31 am	Just watched the first live race, it's odd seeing 3.2l voyagers go above 200mph. Unfortunately going at these speeds means one bump or mistake and you're into a wall or another car. Also it appears 1/3 of the racers have all their tyres destroyed before every finishing the race. Comical to watch as long as it's not you. It's my opinion the cars should start the normal way and reach their regular racing speeds that these cars can normally handle.
*Bastille* Posted Feb 21, 2013, 9:45 am	they will still reach that speed but atm they do it more quickly, so that they are nearly at full race speed on the first corner. Were you not one of the proponents to rolling starts?
*Tinker* Posted Feb 21, 2013, 10:16 am	is it now live to regular town event? I haven't tried them yet
*Tinker* Posted Feb 21, 2013, 10:19 am	Lord Foul said: Just watched the first live race, it's odd seeing 3.2l voyagers go above 200mph. Good point but that's a game engine flaw, would it be possible to hard cap vehicle speeds based more on their chassis? But I know motor homes are ridiculously slow even with a 5l, is it their weight or aerodynamics?
PvtParty Posted Feb 21, 2013, 10:38 am	*Tinker* said: I know motor homes are ridiculously slow even with a 5l, is it their weight or aerodynamics? No, it's due to the drivers ducking down to avoid the shame of being seen in one!
*Bastille* Posted Feb 21, 2013, 11:03 am	arn't voyager 1s 4L.. with A armour?
Lord Foul Posted Feb 22, 2013, 6:12 am	*Bastille* said: they will still reach that speed but atm they do it more quickly, so that they are nearly at full race speed on the first corner. Were you not one of the proponents to rolling starts? Nope, never knew Sam was going to do that. And I was mistaken, it was 4l, not 3.2 engines. Guess the point I was trying to make is 4L sedans with armor reaching 200mph seems highly unlikely, especially since each turn is 1 second and these cars are reaching 200mph in a very short time with just a 4L. Is there any sedan today in the real world with no armor that can do 200mph. Yes, I realize DW is not the real world and we usually throw reality out the window, but do we have to keep pushing it?lol What next, 4L farm tractors at 175mph? lol An again, the tyres at these speeds won't hold out a fair amount of time. My opinion, let them start normally and make it a 3 lap race instead of 2. The normal speedway is 4 laps, 3 for the super speedway seem to be a better fit than just 2 laps. PS: Track looks good, but seems more sparse now that the pylons are gone. Adding some non moving motor homes in the center would add to the look.
Serephe Posted Feb 22, 2013, 7:09 am	Never saw a RL firetruck that can do 245mph either, but there you go. Rolling start or not, the cars will hit 200mph. From a standing start I had a racing tractor (the semi truck not the tractor tractor) up over 200mph, same with the 4L bullets. This was also on the earlier bumpier version. It's to do with the wide track, easy corners, and solid surface. The AI will improve eventually, and the track makes for different events to what we've had so far. I really don't see a problem.
Lord Foul Posted Feb 22, 2013, 7:47 am	lol, yeah if that's going to be the norm, Sam should remove the 250mph cap and let it fly. Allow McKenzies, cougars etc to go above 300mph or even 400mph, why stop at a wimpy 250mph? lol Hell, why start everyone at 80mph, just start them all at 200mph if speed is the purpose of this track.
*Bastille* Posted Feb 23, 2013, 2:09 am	agreed that 3-4 laps should be the norm. 3 seems good for most cars. Ive had 10 or so great races against the AI here. They seem to do fine. Sure they do spin out too, but that makes life interesting when they do it right in front of you.
*goat starer* Posted Feb 23, 2013, 9:41 am	Lord Foul said: *Bastille* said: they will still reach that speed but atm they do it more quickly, so that they are nearly at full race speed on the first corner. Were you not one of the proponents to rolling starts? Nope, never knew Sam was going to do that. And I was mistaken, it was 4l, not 3.2 engines. Guess the point I was trying to make is 4L sedans with armor reaching 200mph seems highly unlikely, especially since each turn is 1 second and these cars are reaching 200mph in a very short time with just a 4L. Is there any sedan today in the real world with no armor that can do 200mph. The maserati Quatroporte can do about 200 mph with a 3.8v8 ... The Bentley continental flying spur does with a 6l The Cadillac cts-v does 198 but again with a 6l
*Tinker* Posted Feb 23, 2013, 12:35 pm	with full armor?
*Bastille* Posted Feb 23, 2013, 10:00 pm	Its not unheard of, take a lot longer to accelerate though. Anyway, who cares, its a game! We have known for years that a full armoured 4L pho will top the mark.
*goat starer* Posted Feb 24, 2013, 12:40 am	*Tinker* said: with full armor? foul asked without armour.. specifically
*Tinker* Posted Feb 24, 2013, 12:46 am	goat starer said: *Tinker* said: with full armor? foul asked without armour.. specifically No I meant to say with full armor it's highly unlikely they can go that fast, plus sedans don't have room to sport anything bigger then a 3.2L v8 unexposed. And they are all beat up cars from the apocalypse... I really think cars should be more influenced by their chassis have the good  sedans cap at 120 mph  for example , and symphs at 90 mph or something. I'm not a car buff but I think some max speed differences between cars is  good
*goat starer* Posted Feb 24, 2013, 1:09 am	*Tinker* said: goat starer said: *Tinker* said: with full armor? foul asked without armour.. specifically No I meant to say with full armor it's highly unlikely they can go that fast, plus sedans don't have room to sport anything bigger then a 3.2L v8 unexposed. And they are all beat up cars from the apocalypse... I really think cars should be more influenced by their chassis have the good  sedans cap at 120 mph  for example , and symphs at 90 mph or something. I'm not a car buff but I think some max speed differences between cars is  good this is the future
*Bastille* Posted Feb 24, 2013, 2:00 am	Lord Foul said: Nope, never knew Sam was going to do that. Well I for one think its a great feature
*Splash* Posted Feb 24, 2013, 3:32 am	Yeah, um, car mounted laser weapons really don't exist now, either. At least not ones you can slap on your bumper in a hour and still fire, even after you plow into someone at 20 mph. Just another reminder that it's currently the year 2066; I've always figured that engine technology had increased along with everything else, so you continue to get smaller engines putting out more power at time progresses. As an example: The first Indy 500 cars back in 1911 had a 600 cu. in. (9.8 L) limit. The cars weighed about 2,300 pounds, and the winner averaged 74 mph. (Which is pretty freaking slow by todays standards--but on those skinny tires, with a normal car losing gallons of oil over the 500 mile course, and on a brick track? I think it's safe to say those people were more crazy than any ganger I've ever had.) Oh,and the fuel injected '57 Chevy was marketed as a big deal, because it got one HP per CID. Wow, right? Point is, with all the other gaps in realism we overlook, this one seems pretty easy to justify.
Lord Foul Posted Feb 24, 2013, 6:16 am	I predict that one day when I'm doing a qualifier on this track I'll be coming into the last turn of the first lap and poof an NPC(or player) pops up in front of me to do the qualifier and bam I'm insta killed. Then writing a bug report asking for my dead driver back. This will probably happen more than once.
*Bastille* Posted Feb 24, 2013, 6:23 am	good thing they start at speed then huh
Lord Foul Posted Feb 24, 2013, 7:42 am	*Bastille* said: good thing they start at speed then huh  At speed aye? lol. Did you watch the turin qualifier with PA and Sam? lol
*Bastille* Posted Feb 24, 2013, 8:48 am	I take it they don't then
*Tinker* Posted Feb 24, 2013, 10:28 am	goat starer said: *Tinker* said: goat starer said: *Tinker* said: with full armor? foul asked without armour.. specifically No I meant to say with full armor it's highly unlikely they can go that fast, plus sedans don't have room to sport anything bigger then a 3.2L v8 unexposed. And they are all beat up cars from the apocalypse... I really think cars should be more influenced by their chassis have the good  sedans cap at 120 mph  for example , and symphs at 90 mph or something. I'm not a car buff but I think some max speed differences between cars is  good this is the future Yeah back to the stone ages future
*goat starer* Posted Feb 24, 2013, 10:44 am	So you are joining my scrap lasers campaign I take it?
PA Racers Posted Feb 24, 2013, 10:59 am	Lord Foul said: I predict that one day when I'm doing a qualifier on this track I'll be coming into the last turn of the first lap and poof an NPC(or player) pops up in front of me to do the qualifier and bam I'm insta killed. Then writing a bug report asking for my dead driver back. This will probably happen more than once. Yeah something needs to change for qualifiers, mabie add a pit road area to spawn late qualifiers from?
*Awefense* Posted Feb 24, 2013, 4:21 pm	I like the idea of motorhomes in the infield. Why not add a Pit Exit so to speak and a blend line so cars can come up to speed out of the groove and then blend into traffic once their speed is up.