Scripts v.300, pvp changes
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*sam* Posted Aug 29, 2012, 10:27 am |
This patch simplifies the pvp rules, and makes them (I hope) better for both those who like pvp play and those who don't. Judging by the vote on this (65 to 6) I think the vast majority of players agree.
Two things to note before I outline the current rules: 1. I will reset everyone's "change pvp flag" delay timer in case they changed it within the last 14 days and want to re-change now 2. There may be bugs, so please bear with me. -------------------------------------------------------- THE FUNDAMENTALS Gangs have a pvp flag. This lets them be open or closed for pvp. This flag cannot be switched more often than once every 14 days. Squads have a pvp flag. It will be 'on' if any of the squad's vehicles belong to players with an open flag, and will be 'off' otherwise. If a squad's flag is on, it can attempt to intercept other squads, and can be intercepted by other pvp squads. The likelihood of a successful intercept depends on the opposing scouts (and the vehicles they're in). Note that squads returning from a scout can never be intercepted. In the maps around the northern towns (SS,Elms,GW), a pre-computed 'bounty' can be paid in order to force a truce. This is primarily to allow safe travels here if you are generally open to pvp but don't currently have the time or inclination to run a pvp battle. The size of the bounty depends on the CRs of the vehicles in the squad and the fame of the gangs that own them. If a squad's pvp flag is off, it can't intercept or be intercepted anywhere. ADDITIONAL RULES & INFO It is possible to target and fire your guns at squadmates cars, although you are liable to lose reputation with the local town and its primary faction by doing so. Note also that, if you attack a squadmate, then other members of the squad will be able to attack you without losing reputation. In pvp combats, there are some special safeguards to reduce ganger deaths. Firstly, a 500 skill medic is always assumed to be available. Secondly, there are never return encounters after a pvp combat. Pvp combats yield greater skill gains than regular pve ones. Any gang with a car in a squad that is used to intercept another squad will have their pvp flag set to 'on'. |
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*JeeTeeOh* Posted Aug 29, 2012, 3:30 pm |
Begin. Ovation. Now. | ||||||||||
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Tez Posted Aug 29, 2012, 4:11 pm |
I thought you said somewhere that the squad owners PvP flag determines the PvP status of the squad? | ||||||||||
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musashi_san Posted Aug 29, 2012, 4:25 pm |
not sure if this is the right place, but i just cannot get patches to apply for me without massive retrying, and without knowing at the end when it finally works what i did right. i have vista, and i'm:
uninstalling darkwind, including removing the directory running the installer as admin running the game the first time as admin it does do the counting thing it does when patching, but i always always get the out of date message, and restarting the lobby does not seem to help any advice? |
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Alec Burke Posted Aug 29, 2012, 4:28 pm |
Sam did say he mentioned squad owner determining PVP status of squad at one point early in this recent PVP discussion, but it was not made part of the vote. That's not the way it has worked in the past, and since it was not being voted on, it is not currently going to be changed. Here is Sam's post in the Poll thread:
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*sam* Posted Aug 29, 2012, 4:44 pm |
Hmm. Running the lobby/patcher program as admin *should* do the trick. You're sure it's installed in a folder that's not read-only? |
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musashi_san Posted Aug 29, 2012, 4:56 pm |
i just:
uninstalled deleted the darkwind dir reinstalled as an admin used the security tab in windows to force full control for users and auth users ran the game the first time as an admin it did count, but it seemed very fast, and only counted to 100 something, not 600 something like i've seen it do before still no luck. could this somehow be firewall related? not if it seems to attempt to patch, right? |
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*sam* Posted Aug 29, 2012, 5:40 pm |
Not firewall I think, the patching is all done over the normal web port (80)
However, maybe it's related to antivirus software?, I know some of them will roll back 'unauthorised' file changes without telling you there's actually only 1 client file being patched here: it's darkwind/client/scripts/client.cs.dso - you could try opening up this folder to one side as you try the patch, and watch the folder to see if the file updates and then switches back to the old version - if you're seeing 60 or whatever files changing, it's presumably because you don't have a properly patched client to start with (caused by the same problem no doubt) |
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musashi_san Posted Aug 29, 2012, 6:34 pm |
seems to have resolved itself. i got the out of date message, played a couple quick encounters anyway, closed it, went to a meeting, came back and restarted and it says i'm up to date. windows explorer did crash and restart in between, not sure how that could be related but windows is odd. maybe i just needed to be patient? doesn't seem like the sort of thing that would run asynchronously...
anyway, thanks again for your time and being soooo responsive. |
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*Tinker* Posted Aug 30, 2012, 1:55 am |
S488538 limaechogolf accidentally fired on and hurt Lumplore's gangster on a return encounter at ss gates, but he saw no drop in civ standings. His faction is merchants, and lump's is renegade. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Aug 30, 2012, 3:07 am |
Did he target him? (in which case how the fk can it be accidental??) |
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*sam* Posted Aug 30, 2012, 9:43 am |
I found the bug, thanks. I had copied code from peds to vehicles and should have changed one line |
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*Tinker* Posted Aug 30, 2012, 10:35 am |
ROFL lump was in a loot evans enforcer, LEG didn't notice it was blue in the heat of battle |
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*Longo* Posted Sep 12, 2012, 7:12 am |
This is complete CRAP!
I was winning the Paintball League. By ALOT. Nobody could really catch me without a major disaster. I joined the last week in an event, just now. The guy closest to me was Boon, gang fingers, and I had him by 8 points coming into the final week. Him and StCrispin were in the game. Boon was on my team. In the first 2 rounds, he shot and painted all 3 of my guys. Obviously this was not as the game was intended, or so I hope. Boom flat out was unsportsmanlike. He said nothing, but StCrispin just kept saying "Thank Joel." He was obviously aware what Boon was going to do. Want to see what it takes to have a 5 year player quit Dark-wind? I'm done. Boon is a complete loser, a scumbag. You guys can have all of my crap. I'm not coming back. What a great community DW has turned into. Nice to know you all. -Longo - Event ID 202175 |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Sep 12, 2012, 7:45 am |
I was unaway of what boon planned but it is a direct result of the new own team targetting that was championed by Joel. I FEAR live ammo ped now...
Boon's idea to smoke you (own team) was a good strategic move for league play. He was winning. Only you securing 14 points or more would have changed that. and everyone knows you win EVERY ped combat you enter due to being overpowered and able to kill any "non-God" player at 400m. Off subject: thats why alot of people complain about you being allowed in ped, and why they want skill limits or SCL type league divisions for ped... but anyway Personally I think own team targeting has no place in Leagues. with own team targetting, when your competition is on your team theres little reason NOT to remove them. other than points lost. FYI... Boon lost. I won. now you need 13 to beat him instead of 14. BOTTOM LINE: please no same team targetting in League events! |
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*Boonwolf* Posted Sep 12, 2012, 8:18 am |
First id like to say sorry for being a bitch that was a durty trick even for me leagl or not.
It was a sper of the moment idea to cap my win knowing you would own the faild if i didnt act fast, and with the rule change hay why not. Theres no point in you to stop playing my sub is over in a few days and you can go back running 6 speck gangers taggin noobs 400M out |
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*sam* Posted Sep 12, 2012, 7:19 pm |
@Longo: don't get mad, get even. The idea with this rule chance is to de-sanitize the game, and stop it being overly controlling in terms of tactics and roleplay. You should be able to make Boonwolf pay for what he did, thereby stopping him trying that tactic again.
@Crispin: I don't know whether you said 'thank Joel' over and over as was claimed, since I didn't check. However, I would say this: thank Boonwolf - he did the deed, not Joel, and has to stand by his own actions. |
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FireFly Posted Sep 12, 2012, 7:33 pm |
Oh look, team targeting at it's finest...
Sam, you have to realize, there is nothing Longo can really do to them. |
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*sam* Posted Sep 12, 2012, 7:46 pm |
There's plenty Longo can do to them. Longo has friends, right? People scout with each other and do town events with each other don't they? | ||||||||||
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Juris Posted Sep 12, 2012, 8:03 pm |
I respect you Longo but I have to laugh. Just admit you're not quitting because of this ONE thing. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Sep 12, 2012, 9:32 pm |
The Irony here is that the prize Payout for 1st is only 25k, and for 2nd 20k. Nothing of any significance. It seems the biggest issue is Longo's pride. Longo loses the "I win the Paintball" badge that he has owned for so long. I have to say, after really thinking about it, that it was a brilliant move by boon. He lost a point in league scoring but unless Longo plays and wins 2 out of the remaining 3 Paintballs to get his 13, it secured boon the win and the pride of getting the achievment patch.
At the cost of royally pissing off a "God-Vet" which can be very bad. Though really, there were no deaths, and no real harm, a financial cost of only $5000 less earnings. If it were me on longo's end of the bvargin i'd grudgingly laugh it off as smartly played even if it was underhanded. Though if it were Live Fire... Which now I fear. I better make sure not to do well in any live fire events or just use noobs. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Sep 12, 2012, 10:54 pm |
Thank Joel huh.
Formal complaint against ST Crispin and "boon" ( whoever the fk that is) For slander in game and on forums. Please and thanks. For the record I voted AGAINST (one of 6) the PvP change. I DID NOT want team targeting. I DO want open PvP south of somerset and elms with no PvP flags. My opinion has never wavered... do not LIE about MY OPINION or BLAME YOUR ACTIONS ON ME! THAT SHOULD DEFINITELY BE AGAINST FORUM AND GAME CONDUCT! Furthermore: Team targeting in ped leagues(or any other with a team) is ridiculous by nature. DR mafia should go all the way to insane hate if someone does it even once. P.S Longo - don't quit please, get even I will help you. |
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*Boonwolf* Posted Sep 13, 2012, 6:13 am |
With you ther jole don't think team should be able to target another team member, but with that being sead if it's an option in the event and it's going to help my gang placement I'm going to do it.
My gang is true post apocalyptic by nature no honer no rules just survival of the fit winner take all by whatever means necessary. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Sep 13, 2012, 6:25 am |
I guess I will need to re-read the tons of posts about what you wanted for PvP joel, because I honestly thought it was you who said you would BREAK THE GAME if you DIDNT GET WHAT YOU WANTED. That you championed Open PvP EVERYWHERE with no flags, no escaping, no truces and no bounty. I also thought you wanted a return to same team targetting. I also thought it was you who stated in the Lobby that you would drive certain people out of the game by intercepting every scout they sent out. I thought also I saw you state that in the forums also. Perhaps that was someone else.
I guess I should have said "thank" whoever the person was who wanted the change. ps. "slander" by definitian harms your reputation in such a way as to influence your ability to succeed, either financially or non-financialy, in a real life circumstance. I believe my possible errors would only be legally considered an insulting statement. Feel free to murdur my gangers after they resign if you are angry... Oh... Wait... you ALREADY do that. Nevermind. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Sep 13, 2012, 6:50 am |
After re-reading 15 pages I see it was Tinker and Sere that wanted those things. It was just Joel being so vocal and saying the game was going to crap. I guess the agressive vocality muddled my concept of who was demanding what.
As such, I apologize, Joel, for stating it was you who wanted those things. I was indeed incorrect. |
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*sam* Posted Sep 13, 2012, 10:11 am |
My opinion:
1. Boonwolf acted to assist his own league standing, hence this was certainly underhand but absolutely not griefing or morally illegal. 2. Anyone stating that they'd ruin the game or drive people out of the game is certainly acting against the rules, and is liable to punishment for it. 3. We're actually talking about a paintball event here, and I suppose really shooting your own team in such an event should have no effect and not knock them out. I'll go change that now. |
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Tez Posted Sep 13, 2012, 10:16 am |
I agree, that was some fantastic tactics by boon. | ||||||||||
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*Tinker* Posted Sep 13, 2012, 10:18 am |
yeah paint ball is "fun"? any teammate that shoots me with paint, i'll just shrug it off and laugh but keep an eye on him in a real live, weapons-on event heh | ||||||||||
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Iron Wraith Posted Sep 13, 2012, 4:25 pm |
Of course in all the real-life paintball I have taken part in a hit from your own team is still classed as a hit because:
a) the events are supposed to simulate a fight (where a hit would hurt regardless who fired it. b) Usually the paintballs are not colour coded and so you can't identify who hit you anyway. The argument should surely be that league events should never be team events as your final placing can be determined by the lottery of who happens to be on your team and therefore who is or is not a valid target. The balance is already there as by eliminating your own team members you run the risk that the other team wins overall and therefore get the winning team bonus. Everyone is free to retaliate. I can't believe that the mechanism will be changed because a vet who already has more badges on his sleeve than anyone has any right too is bleating because he doesn't get another one. It's paintball, maybe vets of Longos obvious capabilities should be entering events for grown-ups? Please review your decision Sam. |
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Juris Posted Sep 13, 2012, 4:58 pm |
You should definitely lose points for shooting your own team in PB just like in a combat event, but don't think it should be banned. | ||||||||||
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*sam* Posted Sep 13, 2012, 5:21 pm |
But team combats are *fun*!
We can take a vote on this if you like. I wasn't responding to any 'bleating', it just seemed like an obvious thing the DR mafia would do with their points system is all. |
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*sam* Posted Sep 13, 2012, 5:22 pm |
Yes, you still lose points. The change I made was that the guy you hit isn't knocked out of the paintball combat. As I said to ironwraith, this would be easy to revert if that's what people want. |
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Iron Wraith Posted Sep 13, 2012, 6:51 pm |
If we had non-team events you would have to scatter all gangs over the map as an attempt at fairness or lock out the guns for a number of turns (like the non-team vehicle combats). This I accept this may make non-team paintball impractical. However, if the league is the thing then the league is the thing, notions of "team" are artificial.
I think the DR Mafia makes it's money from betting. I imagine they made a killing when all those bets on one of the favourites came to naught. It's not like a complete outsider won. I can't see much interest in an event where the usual suspects always win. This little "upset" is the kind of thing that revives interest. It's why casinos celebrate jackpot winners, it makes everyone else think they stand a chance and increases participation. Having been subject to friendly fire in combats of various sorts long before the team-targetting mod was implemented, I can't really see what all the fuss is about. I have seen players grenade their own team mates, got hit by shots from people behind shooting through me as though I wasn't there and in vehicle combats been rammed by so-called team mates. Other have called for these things to be fixed and been shouted down for being wimps by the vets. I doubt Longo would have even brought it up if he had won as he expected (and frankly his complaint is very "teddy out of the pram"). If it hadn't been raised the change wouldn't have arisen, so in making it you have indirectly rewarded a tantrum. A vote was taken on the PvP change and it was accepted. It wasn't exactly what I thought it should be and not all of us got to vote, but those that were entitled had their chance. The rest of us accepted the change and continued participation under those terms. It seems a bit daft to now hold another vote on a sub element of the change. If you start doing that how about a vote on removing the special non-PvP status of Somerset, or the bonus on skills for intercept resolution. Such piecemeal U-turning undermines the value of the previous vote and encourages rafts of bleating for changes. I suggest reverting it to the agreed implementation (i.e. with team targetting possible) and then see who votes to turn it off. Otherwise those who decline to show an interest in a league that is almost over and the results now largely decided will have had their non-vote counted as a vote for change. P.S. Just checked. If Longo won the next three events he would average 15 points taking him to 103 and the top placing. Challenge on! |
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*Tinker* Posted Sep 13, 2012, 8:08 pm |
After reading Iron Wraith's excellent take on this, i'm tempted to agree with him | ||||||||||
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*sam* Posted Sep 13, 2012, 9:01 pm |
I don't think what we voted on recently had anything specifically do with paintball combats, which are a very minor consideration. So I don't think the change I made this morning was a "u turn" or whatever. I doubt very much if anyone had paintball in mind when they voted.
But anyway, it makes no difference to me, so I'll change the rule back. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Sep 14, 2012, 12:42 am |
Thanks, that took guts rarely found on the internets. Yes I do intend to break the current PvP system as best I can (or show the futility of the flag as best I can.) You were right about that. |
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Lord Foul Posted Sep 14, 2012, 4:42 am |
As was commented on by a few above, if you do revert it back maybe you should really consider redoing the code for town events so there are no "teams". If players on the same team can shoot each other as soon as guns go live, is there really a reason to have teams in town events? It would simply be better to spawn all participants in the middle of the map and let them scatter or randomly spawn spread out on the map. Once the event starts, it's run for cover and then shoot it out with whoever is around. This at the same time would alleviate the "god-vet" from dominating these events because you are temporally taking away the main advantage they have over non uber vets, range. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Sep 14, 2012, 5:50 am |
Penalty for same team attacks should be pretty high. I dont know if there is a penalty at the moment other than point loss for the event itself.
(side note: it would be fun to have "on the fly" requests from the DRM to attack your own teammate to disrupt the "betting" they do. but probably unfair to the target) No teams would be fun, but probably over very quickly. God Vets dont have as much advantage in certain arenas. GW and Ring of Death in SS are 2 examples where the terrain mitigates their range advantage. The Jump Track one (Double Down), God Vets win as soon as you come into LOS. I would have to say though, IF an event were team based, you'd think before hand the gangers had agreed to play as a team. As such it seems targetting ones own team shouldnt be allowed, but even without same team targetting you can target the ground at their feet and shoot them anyway. Or Grenade them in live fire Ped... One could suggest that players vote who is on their team and who is not in the case of 3+ entries. But then you would have 2 god vets vs 2 noobs or something. |
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*sam* Posted Sep 14, 2012, 2:23 pm |
Joel, I feel I need to warn you on this. Do not attempt to break the game in any way. |
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*Snipe* Posted Sep 14, 2012, 5:33 pm |
You know guys - - -this makes me literally laugh out loud. Thank Sam that the changes he put thru has got all the uber gangs so emotional. Seriously expecting to win every league is a decent enough plan, but throwing a fit when you dont is ludicrous. If it takes a newer player to do something drastic to make it a decent fight for the top spot - then more power to him.
But I will say it loud and as plain as I can. If you vets cant handle competition in your leagues then please, by all means quit playing. What are we in kindergarten again? EXPECT me to be trying to win every league I am in. And if I am in a position to be able to bring the league leader within striking range - watch me do it. Why does it crush your poor little sensibilities when a newer player gets close enough for a chance at winning? And that goes especially for any league that gives a decent hardware prize. The same players win the lasers/FEs/7LV12/etc year after year - - - - - the problem I have with this is that the players winning them are the same ones who have them in bulk already. And most vets will go to obscene measures to make sure that THEY win them too. Share the pie, folks. For example - I luckily got 2nd in the COE last year - won me a pretty FE. I traded it as soon as I could to a player that DIDNT already own one. And I fought harder than most to get it - - had to run over a few players to get there. But my prize is the ride - I have no use for super heavy equipment. |
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*Snipe* Posted Sep 14, 2012, 5:44 pm |
And as far as breaking the game, Joel. I believe you already have........check all them badges. We all know the top players - and give them a grudging respect - but if ANY vet cant handle competition in any form then take Joels actions as an example and shoot me out of the event. I prolly dont stand much of a chance at winning anything, but I'll be damned if I dont try.
But to break the game when a change is made that you dont totally agree with? Maybe we are still in kindergarten............Wheres my nappy mat? |
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Juris Posted Sep 14, 2012, 5:54 pm |
Way to fan the flames Snipe.
I agree that what happened with Longo was pretty funny (and clever) but Joel brought up a good point about how the DR mafia wouldn't like intentional friendly fire in a PB match. I know you lose points for shooting an ally but PB is different than a normal combat event - one hit and you are out - so maybe Sam needs to increase the point penalty. |
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*Snipe* Posted Sep 14, 2012, 7:16 pm |
Hey, I just call it like I see it. Apparently forums is the place to find the fire. |
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Iron Wraith Posted Sep 14, 2012, 7:54 pm |
Last time I fought in regular ped combats it was one shot and you are out too.
Longos guys just had to wipe paint off their coats, my guys had to grow new heads. If the DR mafia don't think stabbing people in the back is a legitimate activity then they are like no other mafia i have every heard of. Longo didn't loose his place because the opponent who stiffed him scored more points. He went down because he didn't score any himself. Even a useless AI team that got one hit would have sent him packing. Increasing the penalty wouldn't change that. If you shhot your own team and as a result the opponents win overall, every gang in that other team gets the points hike. This in addition to your own penalty should be decisive. Once you have broken the habit of awlays winning, it may be easier to not have to win next year. Longo may eventually see this as a liberating experience. It's somehting all the ususal suspects should experience. |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Sep 14, 2012, 9:11 pm |
What score in league points or placement would someone get if you gunned down your entire team and then resigned so the opposing team had no points at all?
Just curious. In a friendly fire situation, IRL (DW anyway) i'd think the team, fearing for its safety would turn on, and gun down the perpetrator. Is this a possible addition/modification/deterant that is easily codable? And if so, can it identify legitimate STT as opposed to accudental LOF incidents. If it cant be diferentiated, then the AI would slaughter eachother because they are always shooting eachother anyway |
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Iron Wraith Posted Sep 14, 2012, 9:37 pm |
I doubt the rest of the team would notice or care.
We didn't until Longo got bent out of shape 
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Joel Autobaun Posted Sep 15, 2012, 7:38 pm |
Why? I will not have to violate any code of conduct to show how useless the PvP flag is. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Sep 15, 2012, 10:03 pm |
I broke the game cause I like playing in leagues? (yes I have lost...I do not win every time or throw a fit if I don't - what gives?). Bah I'm at my limit , everyone slander away, I don't give a flying #### any more. At some point I guess, ya just give up. I am going to act as bad as people say I am. |
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Necrotech Posted Sep 15, 2012, 10:31 pm |
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*Snipe* Posted Sep 15, 2012, 10:36 pm |
Well, jeez....maybe I will just take a break from forums for a while. Seems everyone is just looking for an enemy nowadays. I dont want to have to filter my posts to make sure I dont offend someone enough that they come out to kill me. I will wait till everything gets all settled.
If you want me - you know where to find me. |
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Necrotech Posted Sep 15, 2012, 10:42 pm |
Maybe it's me... just grown very weary of seeing the forum turning less of a forum but more into well.. this... *sigh*
Then again, maybe it's just me.. |
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Iron Wraith Posted Sep 15, 2012, 11:00 pm |
I don't think there is any evidence of Joel violating any advised game rules.
He has pushed them to the limit (and in so doing has demonstrated clearly where the limits are). This has sometimes resulted in the game rules being more rigourously enforced. He has argued for agressive PvP (and has shown himself quite willing, even gratified, to accept the consequences when it has worked against him). He has argued about an overly-protective game environment (carebear) and I agree that much of this is not in the spirit of the harsh genre DW is supposed to engender. Whilst he has publically stated that he has grudged me, I am happy to confirm that he has taken no action against me that I would consider unreasonable. His no truce policy has been openly stated and trucing is somewhat against the spirit of the game anyway. I will truce if requested, but I am happy to accept a no truce engagement. I will honour any truce (barring mistakes) and I will make war against the ganger that claims a truce and then breaks the deal and behaves dishonourably but the vendetta will end with the death of the crew responsible (yeah I know it is really the player, but you have to allow an opportunity for reflection and remorse). I don't doubt that if I find myself in an area fight with him he will do his best to defeat me and I wouldn't expect him to do otherwise. I would hope he would honour resignations but that is his choice, hell the NPCs don't seem to. We are probably in agreement concerning the spirit of PvP and only differ in a few areas of implementation. I often disagree with Joels opinions and his way of expressing them, but I don't doubt his passion for the game. Credit where credit is due. |
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iceman Posted Sep 15, 2012, 11:01 pm |
Well i was thking of resubbing after a year but then i just read this thread and decided not to
Different year same s**t |
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Sep 16, 2012, 12:26 am |
All this from 3 paintball hits.
For necro:
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*sam* Posted Sep 16, 2012, 1:44 pm |
As you know, I have no problem with your gameplay approach in general, however, publicly stating that you intend to break the game isn't acceptable |
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JuaN VaLDeZ Posted Sep 16, 2012, 2:35 pm |
You know, i just checked google Joel, and there's some easy tricks you can use to deal with those temper tantrums, but the easiest way is to grow up. | ||||||||||
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*Bastille* Posted Sep 16, 2012, 3:00 pm |
Thats a bit unfair Juan. You are not really one to talk, by that last post alone. You were talking about bullying the other day if I remember?
I like the PvP flag. Yes I understand the drawbacks you often state, but this being a game that can be played at peoples pleasure and choice, I think the flag is needed. Provisions to prevent hiding behind the flag, I think, is the next progression. Has there been much PvP since the change? Anything happening in somerset? |
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*Jagged Monkey* Posted Sep 16, 2012, 5:36 pm |
I intend to get even. That's all I got to say about that. | ||||||||||
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Joel Autobaun Posted Sep 16, 2012, 6:47 pm |
I am going to show how ridiculous the PvP flag is (cause no one will listen to me.. I change it with action) And then you are going to fix it 
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Sep 16, 2012, 10:30 pm |
Most of the PvP has happened in the Forums... heh... I do know alot of peop0le who were flagged PvP "on" changed it to "off" for assorted reasons. Personally I changed mine to "off" because I dont want my SS scouts interupted every time I anger someone in the forum. Which I tend to do... Not on purpose most of the time but my opinions tend to make people mad at me. The "traveling back to town" time delay was what concerned me. I dont want to get my entire gang tied up returning to town. Once wouldnt be bad but it wad been mentioned in Lobby on 2 or more occasions that certrain unnamed people would find "every scout" they sent out interceted to cause this effect of not letting them play. I no longer remember who was saying that but discovered it was more grandiosity then reality since it is appearantly not easy to intercept. But thats what propted me to go PvP Off. |
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*JeeTeeOh* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 1:20 am |
Joel -
Your stated plan is to "show how ridiculous the flag is ... cuz no one will listen" to you. My experience so far is you perched on a cliff blasting a CoE event with a laser. I suspect it goes much further, and I hope you're having a good time. I also hope you cross the line into full-on griefing and are substantially penalized once you do. I've defended you, your actions, and your opinions on several occasions, primarily because I thought you were doing your best to advance the best interests of DW. No more. Sam offered a compromise solution to a problem that's been around years. YEARS. That solution was passed by what I've heard described as one of the most overwhelming majorities in DW history. And you don't like it, so you're gonna cast your minority vote over and over and over again in the form of large-calibur tantrums. Fine. Bring it. I am PvP ON. I have been since day one, and I will remain that way as long as I'm here. I suggest you start actively targeting me, as I now intend to abandon all efforts to win any event in which I find you, Joel. My only goal will be to wreck you with extreme prejudice. Further, I call on any and all other sensible, honorable players to do the same. You may think nobody's listening to you, Joel, but you're wrong. I'm listening. I've been listening for a while. And I'm freaking sick of hearing it. |
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*Longo* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 1:49 am |
Its started. Im gonna kill everyone. Except a few friends. | ||||||||||
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*StCrispin* ce.services.mh@gmail.com Posted Sep 17, 2012, 2:09 am |
Whats this I been hearing about EXPLOITING a bug that allows the interception of a PvP OFF flagged gang? Is this just mind games employed by agent provocatures to fuel fear? Or is this a real exploit/bug thats openly being talked about and planned to be used? I heard this 3rd or 4th hand so i dont know where it started, and since my sub expires today I dont fear it, but for the "bleating" lambs that are bent all out of shape over all this to be talking about breaking stuff, exploiting bugs and the such seems...
idk. bad? But i guess, if something is needing fixed and hasnt been fixed, break it more eh? I just dont see how the PvP is broken. Other than when the "i always win" crowd sits back at 400m and murdures scores of ppl with heavy lasers instead of racing the race. lol. To bad only those with that stuff can win that stuff. Maybe thats whats broken. I think Heavy lasers and radar guided missiles should be in Jakes and in unlimited supply to counter that. While im ranting I want a Gvozdika or some other Multiple Launch 122mm Hvy Rocket vehicle with 12 HRRs forward firing. And cluster munitions. |
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Serephe Posted Sep 17, 2012, 2:09 am |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpUNt8lhHRM | ||||||||||
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*Jagged Monkey* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 3:34 am |
I might kill my friends too. Wait, I have no friends. Ha ha. So Joel sat on a hill and killed everyone with a heavy laser? Really? There's no honor in that. No sir. None at all. Don't break my game dude. |
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*Bastille* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 4:39 am |
lol |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Sep 17, 2012, 5:02 am |
* Maniacal laugh * Oh dear JeeT why would I? Particularly because I am flagged.... PvP = OFF *More maniacal laughter, followed by the sound of a cat being kicked hard* |
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*JeeTeeOh* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 5:09 am |
Leave the cat out of it. 
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Joel Autobaun Posted Sep 17, 2012, 5:11 am |
No bad guys always have cats. I'm so bad I am also mean to it. |
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*JeeTeeOh* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 5:14 am |
I'm still gonna do my best to shoot the hell outta you. And yes, I'm aware it's a suicide mission. But I'm gunnin' for ya anyway, just on general principle. You can't stay away from the leagues; you know it and I know it. So now I just gotta find my way into the same event as you. |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Sep 17, 2012, 5:17 am |
Too bad you cant just intercept me huh? You gotta hope to get me in some league event, which is usually not fair i'm told I don't play like the other kids tell me to, in those... at least the intercepts match CR.... I also have used lasers, turned a part of BL into a death pit and recently shot people I normally like with a HCR and killed them(sorry Philyn). My gangers hate On even more than I do it seems. |
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*JeeTeeOh* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 5:52 am |
So be it. | ||||||||||
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Juris Posted Sep 17, 2012, 6:39 am |
Nice league bonus point summoning spell Joel
Damn you, all I get is mouthy non-subs in my events 
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*Tinker* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 9:03 am |
Well the replays promise to be entertaining 
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*Bastille* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 10:17 am |
So you don't want PvP, I wish you'd make up your mind. I don't think you can ever get rid of the flag, the more you push, the more you prove it. |
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*sam* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 10:55 am |
If there is an exploitable bug along these lines, someone let me know, please. |
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*Jagged Monkey* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 11:40 am |
I see what you're up up to Joel! I find it hilarious. Ha ha! | ||||||||||
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Tez Posted Sep 17, 2012, 12:33 pm |
This whole war thing would be a great Gazette entry. | ||||||||||
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*DoubleTap* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 1:23 pm |
[quote=Joel Autobaun]
* Maniacal laugh * I am flagged.... PvP = OFF [quote] I thought you were in favor of PVP, Joel. |
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*Jagged Monkey* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 2:32 pm |
Having the flag off is kinda the point. | ||||||||||
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*sam* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 3:30 pm |
as in.. flag off, yet mash people in the arenas? |
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*JeeTeeOh* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 4:02 pm |
Yes, that's exactly it. He wants to demolish people until you decide the only solution is complete elimination of the flag. Because, you know, if you think there might someday be a problem the best idea is to create the problem yourself and force a solution. 
 I'VE GOT IT! Ban him from the leagues for arbitrary disruption of same. Or have the DRM trash his stuff bigtime. They don't enjoy people messing with their dollars.
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*Jagged Monkey* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 4:11 pm |
There is little chance for revenge with the PvP flag on. No intercepts. No contract hits. Only having the chance to fight them if they decide to enter the arena.
Certain players are noted for stirring up trouble then hiding behind the PvP flag. It's infuriating not having the chance to knock them down a peg. In a game as brutal as DW you should be able to do so. We can beat Joel. We just need to team up. A little cooperation will go a long way. We can finally be rid of this cat loving menace. |
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*JeeTeeOh* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 4:18 pm |
I'm in. Should mebbe move this to Dexter's or something. |
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*Longo* Posted Sep 17, 2012, 5:53 pm |
+1
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Joel Autobaun Posted Sep 18, 2012, 3:10 am |
hmmm maybe ...we should run intercepts together... DUN DUN DUN.... |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Sep 18, 2012, 3:56 am |
Ratings have never been so high, 'sides, I am not only a member... I think I might own the mafia lol |
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Serephe Posted Sep 18, 2012, 11:20 am |
If you do that your flag will be turned on. 
You can't do anything to anybody that they can't do right back if they want. |