Character Ranking, Math Max Beyond The Numberdome
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Alocalypse Posted Oct 4, 2010, 9:54 am |
How do you measure/rank the overall skills and the value they bring to you of your gang?
What factors into it and how much? Can you sum it all up into one number? Here's what I came up with for that and built into my darkwind stats tracking utility (link to dwstats, you can also check out the other thread about that): Character scoring algorithm: All bonuses are cumulative: 1000 Starting pity points Skills: +15 for every point in Gunnery, Large Guns, Ballistics, Psionics +10 for every point in Handguns, Mechanic, Scouting, Driving +5 for every point in First aid, Cyclist, Trucking +1 for every point of Courage and Leadership (Shown as "heroism") +25 for every available specialism +500 for having psionics -500 for having a known skill cap below 100 +250 for having an overall skill cap above 100 +250*n for every 50 points the skill cap is over 100 (Uncapped characters with high skills get this too for their highest skill) +25*(n-1) for having multiple skills above 50 +50*(n-1) for having multiple skills above 100 +75*(n-1) for having multiple skills above 150 +100*n-1 for having multiple skills above 200 ... +x/50*25*(n-1) for having n skills above x (in increments of 50 (n = number of skills affected) This can also be awarded multiple times for the same skill, someone with skills at 100,100,50 would get a bonus for 3x50+ skills and 2x 100+ skills Stats +10 for every year below 25 -20 for every year above 25 +5 for every stat point in Dexterity, Strength +8 for every point in Speed -100 for every stat below 25 +50 for every stat above 50 +100 for every stat above 75 +150 for every stat above 85 +250 for every stat above 100 You also get a penalty to all positive bonuses based on your activity level (negative things such as old age or low skill caps aren't affected by this) I'm looking for stuff I've missed or weighted as more or less important than I should be or characters who "break" this system by coming out too strong/weak in the numbers but for all practical reasons aren't all that. I'm also still interested in alternative methods and approaches to this. Also just for fun, who has the weskest/strongest characters according to this? Who has the strongest gang altogether? (total gang score is show at the very bottom in DWStats) |
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FireFly Posted Oct 4, 2010, 10:02 am |
Thats cool, one question, what gives the "Heroism" points?
Also, my 2 best scored ones are... Joe 'Lunatic' Luna "13657" Drew 'Laz0r' Montano "12491" Oh, Total Gang Score: 353299, hired a bunch of fillers lately... |
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Alocalypse Posted Oct 4, 2010, 10:05 am |
That's courage + leadership, I also edited this into the original post now. |
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*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Oct 4, 2010, 12:28 pm |
nice addition
Total Gang Score: 267507 Paul 'Humongous' Dick 10091 Bo 'Hazard' Duke 8939 Have not been playing much of late either |
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*Wolfsbane* Posted Oct 4, 2010, 12:36 pm |
Hmm, my highest-scoring character seems to be my leader's mutant bodyguard. I guess most of it comes from high stats and psi, although he has over 3000 points of secondary skills (drive 150, mech 150).
Total gang score 338089. I'd expect that to be high for me - I play conservatively, so I have a lot of fairly good characters but few excellent ones. Looking more closely, this seems a little odd: Code: 1 2 3 4
Gun LGun HG Bal Wpn Char 1 68 110 54 6 238 Char 2 75 60 51 51 237 Char 3 50 121 9 53 233 I think char 2 should be scoring lower than the other two, although I'm open to arguments. I certainly value him less. |
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4saken Posted Oct 5, 2010, 3:55 am |
I find it odd that a spec is only worth as much a 2 points in a skill. Or is that a typo? Should it be 250 for a spec? | ||||
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*Longo* Posted Oct 5, 2010, 4:24 am |
Top score - 17770. Dang age hurts!
Total gang - 433435 |
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Joel Autobaun Posted Oct 5, 2010, 4:57 am |
John 'Ammo Beotch' Swayze 14519 (?) (capped guy I use for PvP actually...)
gang: 475812 This is actually quite useful for me - pretty much picked my A Team to the top - that took me an embarrassingly long time to "figure out" for long term scouting in BL. |
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Alocalypse Posted Oct 5, 2010, 8:08 am |
Yeah that's a tough one, In my opinion Char 2 potentially has access to better specialisms, on the other hand the other guys might be more useful in scouts due to their higher LG skills. I think what skews it a bit is that ballistics is a primary skill, I initially wanted to put it under secondary skills because it's sort of situational, but decided against it for some reason, what do other people think about this? If you have to generalize for most situations how useful is ballistics really? This also gives me the idea of having a "best weapon skill" bonus (+1 for every point in the highest weapon skill) to give more-specialized characters a fairer chance against jacks of all trades.
It actually was 250 initially, but I had to cut it down. It would make up 25%+ of the score otherwise and that didn't feel right. I was probably overzealous though and 50-75 seems like a better range. I'm also considering making it more points for every specialism after the first. Either way I agree that the bonus needs to be higher. Also I made a slight adjustment to the way specialism bonuses are calculated - before it just used the sum of all skill points / 50 + heroism / 100 - which isn't how it actually works and can lead to it thinking you have more specialisms than you actually do. It now gets the actual number by looking at the skills separately. Also I forgot to post my own gang/guys numbers: John 'Projectile' Meredith - 10819 (Some guy who I didn't manage to get killed yet so he's capped out on several skills) 'Bandit' Buster Mata - 9717 (Leader, with -1,2k in activity/age penalties) Total Gang Score: 299244 |
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*Tinker* Posted Oct 5, 2010, 8:38 am |
My two best
Donald 'Duck' Cole 19975 (?) Sidney 'give me some' Merritt 12638 edit: just caped today! gang: 365056 What are the question marks after the individual scores? |
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Alocalypse Posted Oct 5, 2010, 8:54 am |
Hovering over the question marks in dwstats should show you a more detailed breakdown of the score. |
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*sam* Posted Oct 5, 2010, 8:57 am |
The 'Fetch' function doesn't seem to work for me (tried both Firefox and Safari under Windows).. I just keep getting 'slow script' warnings but nothing comes up. | ||||
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Alocalypse Posted Oct 5, 2010, 9:25 am |
Hmm, that was a bit tricky to figure out, but this seems to happen when you enter an invalid username/id combo, could it be that? I completely forgot to handle that particular case in the error checking and the program failing catastrophically at such a simple thing is pretty silly 
EDIT: Fixed (or at least you get an error message instead of the javascript equivalent of a "crash" now )
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*Grograt* gary.r.horder@gmail.com Posted Oct 5, 2010, 11:35 am |
Knowing Sam he was probably trying to log in under goats account, to make him feel better 
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*SirLatte* Posted Oct 5, 2010, 11:52 am |
Top Gangers
Sir Harold Carr 22461 Sir Stanley Hall 20671 Gang is mostly New so total gang is only slightly over 200k |
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*Bastille* Posted Oct 5, 2010, 12:06 pm |
This is really cool. gang total just over 300K only 4 guys over 10K. top dude just over 11K, would you believe 11372, Wish the 'Chief' was still around
With Mentoring at 35 is there more value to these guys maybe? |
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*goat starer* Posted Oct 5, 2010, 12:29 pm |
So now we know where alo has been.
Why is handguns less valuable than gunnery? Fat ad I can see its specialisms that really count and handguns gives gunnery specs like sniper. |
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Alocalypse Posted Oct 5, 2010, 1:11 pm |
Never get out of the car... 
but hmm, while I'm at it it might be a nice idea to add this to the specialism calculations so that some skills give more points per specialism than others. |
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d0dger Posted Oct 5, 2010, 3:38 pm |
You're not accounting for age at all?
In my opinion, a 20 year old ganger is more valuable then a 30 year old ganger with otherwise the exact same stats. (general health probably matters even more then age, but I know you can't fetch that value right now) |
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*Rezeak* reecestensel@hotmail.co.uk Posted Oct 5, 2010, 3:44 pm |
Faaaaaar too much maths involved for me, makes my brain ache. 
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Marrkos Posted Oct 5, 2010, 4:13 pm |
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d0dger Posted Oct 5, 2010, 4:18 pm |
oops, must have missed that. | ||||
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Flaming savage Posted Oct 5, 2010, 5:00 pm |
Wow my guys are crappy..best is 7247 and been playing 3.5 years. | ||||
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Lord Foul Posted Oct 5, 2010, 10:46 pm |
How about drugs/addictions etc.,non-fetchable item?
Character - 19,209 Gang - 436,539/56 character Average - 7795 |
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*JD_Basher* jd.basher@charter.net Posted Oct 6, 2010, 1:33 am |
I have to say Alo, after all the bad blood we've had in the past, you have been helping DW very much lately and kudos to you and your skills.
Thanks for this "GEM" of a program! You have made all the spreadsheets ANY member has made to track their gang obsolete in one fell swoop! NICE JOB!
Oh yeah I have not been as active as I'd like and my gang numbers show it! My highest ganger score is 8123 My gangs total score is 219194 |
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d0dger Posted Oct 6, 2010, 9:22 pm |
Doesn't work for me, from work on my work laptop, in IE. Works fine in firefox at home. |
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*Rezeak* reecestensel@hotmail.co.uk Posted Oct 6, 2010, 9:50 pm |
My highest scoring guy is.... 13,322
My gang total is.... 225,652 |
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JS Posted Oct 6, 2010, 10:09 pm |
Best gal Danielle "Wrong Way" Erhart 14,145
Gang total is 431,489. |
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d0dger Posted Oct 6, 2010, 11:18 pm |
I haven't caught up with a lot of you guys yet... my best (gang leader) has 8,017. My gang total is at 271,165. | ||||
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*sam* Posted Oct 7, 2010, 7:56 am |
Aha.. seems like a slight mistake on your website. It's not username and gang ID you need to enter, it's username and user ID.. Gang total score: 246310 Best character (gang leader): Annette Jackman (10113). Ok she might look weak compared to you lot, but she's the best gunner in Evan! None of this multi-skill nonsense.. |
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Alocalypse Posted Oct 7, 2010, 11:34 am |
Yeah I should be trying to use the same terminology as DW to avoid confusion, so changed the labels to say user id now. |